MarkK

Okay, the forum has not been working for me the past few days as far as being able to post on it, bear with me as I sort this.

Okay.. the first thing we need from you guys is for each of you to roll a toughness save. From our discussions on just how potent this explosion would end up being, you're both in the land of impossible toughness saves, but as always, rolling a natural 20 minimizes consequences.

If that doesn't go through, going to need an hp from the both of yas for the "I'm not dead" option. You needn't worry if you don't have one, complications are ensuing that would grant you one to spend.

Anyway, first roll, then we'll go into more detail of what's going down. Among other things, we're going to be starting a new thread...

Congrats! You've created a city wide event of sorts.

No worries, life happens.

The thread is here:

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1915

Just need a reply to your intro bit.

"Ahm. Right. Yes."

He set her back down gently on the roof once they reached it, maybe a bit more slowly than he otherwise could have.

"So.. let's take it from the top?"

His tone encouraging, having recovered some measure of self posession.

Is it otherwise in a surburban row house type setup? Are going the questions.

Okay, Twilight's player hasn't been here for 7 days, giving em one more, and then the thread marches along.

Okay, Twilight's player hasn't been here for 7 days, giving em one more, and then the thread marches along.

Not off hand, if you wanted to pick a time.

Okay, one, we're still discussing this as refs, two, if you could not handwave things like how the whole jail and trial issues might go when they haven't happened yet, that would be preferable.

Twilight? I'll also pm em.

"Ah..."

Her words made him suddenly very self conscious of that he was holding her rather closely, though his only tell was a rise of warmth to silvery skin that, on the other hand, she was close enough to feel. He coughed just lightly and floated back up with her to the rooftop.

"We can certainly try the jumping again, I mean, I'd otherwise be holding onto you for the entire patrol, which I don't think you would want really?"

He didn't perhaps sound as sure as he might have at the end there.

It could be ten refs and it would still be like that, in my experience. There's already quite a lot to do on every level to keep things going, and even just to make sure any given thread is working alright within an overall sense of setting trying to be maintained. And there is everything I mentioned above that shapes threads and how they play out as is. Anything beyond all of that is a bonus.

I'll leave it at that both my experience and perspective is different than yours on this issue, as far as the things that you get for large shared setting play, and the things you trade away for it as far as how you might make something go in table top.

In a lot of huge chat/forum type places, many have ultimately after several years of hand wringing and talks on this very thing ended up widescale restricting merits/flaws, drawbacks, whatever you want to call them, to the point of them basically exiting play, or they settle for disallowing the ones they find stupid, and otherwise accepting as they can what remains for what it is. The notion of the fallacy of the unexcluded middle, as it were, has never really worked out.

We ocassionally have very different views on game theory Doc, it's come up before. I'd really like to otherwise get back to this thread going along.

Just to ask, this is a character to be socked away until you hit 180 with Avenger?

MBCE pm'd me an offer to run before ya, sorry. Appreciate it though!

Anyway, the other thing.. okay, I'm not direly fond of the whole subtle super indirect auto hit thing for that.. you could basically be hitting a person with it and they'd have no idea it was you. Edge could pretty much kick back and lay down the whammy with no justifiable retribution from the person being whammied coming to him.

I'd at least like.. you know how when Longshot's more extreme bouts of luck kick in, he has that big flare of energy around his eye? I'd like there to be an indication for the person getting shellacked that the cause of the shellacking is you.

Sure, I can bring Emissary by to that.

"Oh!"

The Emissary took off in a silver blur after Moira when she missed her footing, arcing his flight in a way that sent light shimmering off his metallic skin and into his wake, pushing himself to loop and thus come up underneath Moira as she fell. He reached out his arms to catch her on her trajectory downwards.

"Are you alright?"

He smiled brightly.

"That is decidedly the way to look on things. That said, there are still times where you have to remind yourself of that. When you are on the ocassional stakeout for instance, and doing your level best not to move or talk for hours on end so that Raven does not yell for having her cover blown.."

He coughed.

"Not that any such thing has happened to me. Anyway, ah, leap away."

He gestured encouragingly.

Okay, that's a lot better then, thanks.

edit: eh, this may as well go through some Ref discussion.

Please bear with us while it does.

I am moderately certain you can't do selective tradeoffs as far as attack and effect levels, unless it says somewhere you can and I just missed it.

While I'm pondering the perception range blast 10.. it doesn't go with having an attack bonus of +11, as far as ranks.

Taking a look...

That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm not saying "Weakness to Daka Crystals = Weakness to Super-Science Devices." I am saying "Weakness to Daka Crystals = Should feel a bit queasy around some Super-Science Devices, and Weakness could kick in if those Devices are broken open and the crystals exposed, though given the high Toughness of Devices [10 + Device rank] that's still not gonna be terribly common."

Then we have no problem, but the first time I noted that was what you seemed to be saying, your reply was ultimately "it should come up more".

Your other points seem a tad odd, since, as a Ref/Global Mod, they're exactly the sort of thing you should be enforcing/looking out for, and doing yourself in order to set a good example for other players.

No, it's noting the nature of the beast over massive shared play over a forum, along with noting things that are ultimately true for those types of characters, and wondering thus why mine is so notable. We basically have several types of threads. In the pvp threads, no one really manages the environment, they basically show up to wail on each other, any heavy managing of the thread environment around them for flaw or weakness exploitation would come off a bit too much like trying to arrange things for the other fellow to get their face stepped on. Then there are the smaller group/two people interaction threads, which is again, just interaction. Then there are the interaction threads of such where one person is both playing their character and actively managing the thread, and already thus walking a really fine and difficult line as far as the other characters in thread being valid of themselves in the narrative, and not just appendages to function in whatever story someone wants to tell about their own character, that line beginning to vanish completely the more custom tailored to every aspect of one character that thread gets. Then there are the smaller controlled by ref without ref playing threads, where it would be more ideal to indeed so custom tailor, but we don't by comparison to all the other kinds get in a lot of these, especially as compared to, and finally, the large group run by a ref not playing threads, where aside from needing to keep track of a wide group of players, the nature of forum play requires keeping the thread itself to a certain degree adaptable and fluid in terms of its core narrative in being able to accomodate that players may simply vanish, and new ones need to be brought in to replace them, or that some may post really slowly and the thread needs to be kept moving for everyone else, or that something like, say, the player that was the centre of the thread getting banned for being a freak and the whole thing needing to be restarted. Tailoring a narrative to specifically incorporate someone's limitations thus in that kind of thread can be counter intuitive.

Within that, flaws, weaknesses and the like coming up as little as they do for everything from devices to drawbacks should be expected, and it's basically natural. You can either in response say we should junk the whole system and houserule devices besides, or you can take on faith that it's not as though players and refs intend for things to be as such, but that all the same there are alterations to how gameplay works out in venues like this that happen just for the venues being what they are, and that's just something to accept.

Dude, there are quite a number of people who's weaknesses and the tradeoffs of their gear have not especially come up remotely simply for the way threads have hashed out, I'm fine with the Doc A thing, I'm not fine with the suggestion that my weakness become "everybody with a science based device" which seems to be what you're suggesting.

If you really want to discuss the idea of things one gets points for, how many people have taken device for their characters, and of those people, how many of them have been particularly impaired by the "it's a thing that they could lose and don't necessarily always have it on them" part of it for which they get cost breaks on powers, ultimately? The answer to note, is incredibly few indeed, but that's just how threads have gone. There's quite a variety of things like that, and it's just the nature of this kind of play when it's large groups over a forum, instead of someone's table top game. One might otherwise call it cheaper powers that are almost to basically always on hand, and that's not particularly fair either. But the counter of that is that a ref could entirely run a thread such that someone is in a situation where those aspects come up. That they don't is not anything on the player.

I put the drawbacks there, and a GM is free to use them in threads they run by their frequency however they so wish. I can't really control when they do or don't, and I've jumped blind into several ref controlled threads over the character's stint here.

You may as well otherwise go for no drawbacks or flaws, and that we houserule a power as a device to be a complication for all that the limitations of having one tend to come up.